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After Stinging Presidential Loss, Popular Vote Movement Gains Momentum In States

By NPR

Democrats in Colorado and New Mexico are pushing ahead with legislation to pledge their 14 collective electoral votes to the winner of the national popular vote — no matter who wins each stateRead full story

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  • This is a very bad idea. Just democrats frustrated by the 2016 election lashing out in response. Our election system does need updating, but this is NOT the way to do it. Far too much possibility for unintended, very bad consequences for national stability. This is a solution that I'd expect from, say, a high school model Congress: well-meaning and not totally crazy, but not thought through from all angles either.

    There's only one electoral-college reform worth pursuing: ranked-choice voting to

    This is a very bad idea. Just democrats frustrated by the 2016 election lashing out in response. Our election system does need updating, but this is NOT the way to do it. Far too much possibility for unintended, very bad consequences for national stability. This is a solution that I'd expect from, say, a high school model Congress: well-meaning and not totally crazy, but not thought through from all angles either.

    There's only one electoral-college reform worth pursuing: ranked-choice voting to distribute the state's electoral votes. The all-or-nothing "winning" of a state is what creates the perception of unfairness. Maine, I think, has already implemented this system, as well as a handful of other states.

    Plus, just from a legal perspective, "scholars have argued that states can't bind their electors to voters outside their boundaries," which I think is a major problem with the concept.

  • The founders understood group think before there was group think.

    No small state will ever be represented again in a Nation wide election. If you don't think you need the "flyover States" then go buy some popcorn and wait for the Nation to implode.

    We are a republic. Not a democracy. The house represents us by population and the Senate represents us by state. We should not get rid of the electoral college, because the needs of a farmer in Iowa are not the same as a writer in New York. We need

    The founders understood group think before there was group think.

    No small state will ever be represented again in a Nation wide election. If you don't think you need the "flyover States" then go buy some popcorn and wait for the Nation to implode.

    We are a republic. Not a democracy. The house represents us by population and the Senate represents us by state. We should not get rid of the electoral college, because the needs of a farmer in Iowa are not the same as a writer in New York. We need the balance and stability it forces America to have, and it makes us consider each other.

  • Bradley Tusk
    Bradley TuskproCEO at Tusk Ventures

    This is a noble effort but faces a lot of challenges. Allowing people to vote by phone may solve many of the same problems (exponentially higher turnout reduces disproportionate power of the few) without expecting either party to put themselves out of business.

  • The fundamental notion of “one person, one vote” has been eroded badly over generations. The Electoral College exists because slave states wanted to magnify their power in the early years of the republic. The House of Representatives, which used to grow with population, reached the current 435 in 1913. A law passed in 1929 set that number in stone as a way to protect rural interests. Along with the Senate’s equal weighting of every state, the Electoral College and the unchanging number of Representatives

    The fundamental notion of “one person, one vote” has been eroded badly over generations. The Electoral College exists because slave states wanted to magnify their power in the early years of the republic. The House of Representatives, which used to grow with population, reached the current 435 in 1913. A law passed in 1929 set that number in stone as a way to protect rural interests. Along with the Senate’s equal weighting of every state, the Electoral College and the unchanging number of Representatives make rural votes worth a lot more than urban votes. If LA County were a state, it would be the 10th largest by population ... yet it has only a fraction of two Senators and a handful of Representatives. Every state below it is relatively over represented. All of this comes before gerrymandering and voter suppression tactics.

  • Norman Crouse
    Norman CrouseSinger-songwriter

    I believe this will deepen the devide between the "coastal" and the flyover folks. We need initaitives that will focus on what we have in common. In some ways, this is similar to a giant gerrymander. The electoral college was included in our original framework for many reasons. We need to think this through before acting.

  • Michael Weston
    Michael WestonUtrzymac Wielka Ameryke

    The framers of our Constitution, the founding fathers, were truly wise men. They recognized population density variations would render large areas of the country powerless in determining future leaders.

    Wisely, they gave the states final power to elect our president through the Electoral College. Changing the Constitution to undo what the founders did will result in elections that the advocates for this will soon regret.

  • Missy Paul
    Missy Paul

    I do NOT support the National Popular Vote Compact. If you think your vote doesn't matter now just wait until New York picks every presidential winner!!

    Electoral Explanation of 2016 Election:

    There are 3,141 counties in USA. Trump won 3,084 counties. Clinton won 57 counties. A HUGE win for Trump.

    There are 62 counties in New York State. Trump won 46 counties in NY state. Clinton won only 14 counties in NY state. Again, a HUGE win for Trump.

    Trump won 306 Electoral Votes.

    Clinton won 232 Electoral

    I do NOT support the National Popular Vote Compact. If you think your vote doesn't matter now just wait until New York picks every presidential winner!!

    Electoral Explanation of 2016 Election:

    There are 3,141 counties in USA. Trump won 3,084 counties. Clinton won 57 counties. A HUGE win for Trump.

    There are 62 counties in New York State. Trump won 46 counties in NY state. Clinton won only 14 counties in NY state. Again, a HUGE win for Trump.

    Trump won 306 Electoral Votes.

    Clinton won 232 Electoral votes.

    You see.....Clinton won the "popular vote by only 1.5 million votes. Had she been awarded the presidency her win equates to ONLY 4 counties determining the president...Bronx, Brocklyn, Manhattan & Queens...having elected her!!

    People talk a great deal about key states being heavily campaigned with the Electoral Vote process in place. The Electoral Vote system forces candidates to listen & campaign to voters nationwide.

    However, without the balancing effect of the Electoral College, ONLY New York & California as the most populace states will matter to any presidential candidate!!

    THAT my friends is going backwards!!

    We are a Constitutional Republic...let's keep it that way!

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YGL8CiUtXF0

  • Catherine Tannahill
    Catherine Tannahillprof, teacher

    Actually, it looks like a lesson in ' if you can't win by the rules, change the rules.' In cosmic irony, CT, who has already changed their law, would get to cast their votes for Trump. After all, this law would have thrown them to Dubya in his second election.

  • William Wood
    William WoodOwner at William Wood

    The Electoral College was set up to make sure smaller states still had a voice, basically why each state has two Senators. It will take a constitutional amendment. Which will require 3/4 of the State’s would have to ratify. Don’t see that happening. You also should be careful about what you wish for, what goes around comes around!

  • Interesting how they pursue this thinking it will only work one way.

    We have the electoral college to make things closer to fair. But the losers will never accept that things were as fair as they could be.

  • Russell Telker-Hernandez
    Russell Telker-HernandezVeteran

    This is why civics classes in school are so important. People truly believe we live in a democracy, we do NOT. WE LIVE IN A REPUBLIC. There is a huge difference. If laws like this are allowed to succeed then all future presidents will be determined by 2 maybe 3 states. Only large cities will matter when it comes to campaigning. Small towns and rural America will have no voice I our elections. I hope these laws are challenged and brought before the US Supreme Court so they can be struck down. This

    This is why civics classes in school are so important. People truly believe we live in a democracy, we do NOT. WE LIVE IN A REPUBLIC. There is a huge difference. If laws like this are allowed to succeed then all future presidents will be determined by 2 maybe 3 states. Only large cities will matter when it comes to campaigning. Small towns and rural America will have no voice I our elections. I hope these laws are challenged and brought before the US Supreme Court so they can be struck down. This is a perfect example of why the leftist have been trying their level best to indoctrinate our children through the public education system which at this point is a total disaster.

  • Marc P.
    Marc P.product marketing

    The Democrats are showing their true colors once again. The goal to dismantle the protective agency of an electoral college is the same goal as open borders: more votes to ensure a power grab. If we become a popular vote electoral system, we will have become a pure democracy. Those systems tip towards totalitarian rule of the majority. This is what our founders attempted to discourage with the electoral college. In a purely democratic system, the 51% rule the 1% (The village). In a republic and 99

    The Democrats are showing their true colors once again. The goal to dismantle the protective agency of an electoral college is the same goal as open borders: more votes to ensure a power grab. If we become a popular vote electoral system, we will have become a pure democracy. Those systems tip towards totalitarian rule of the majority. This is what our founders attempted to discourage with the electoral college. In a purely democratic system, the 51% rule the 1% (The village). In a republic and 99% cannot rule the 1% (individualism). Our system is a discovery of experience, history, psychology, and human nature. Our republic is not designed for freedom--many countries have forms and degrees of freedom. It is intended to suppress totalitarianism from the government or the masses, and that results in liberty. Freedom means you are free from something. Liberty means you are free to do something. When you think of the word liberty, you can only think of one nation: the USA. Have you ever heard of the liberty of Europe? Liberty of Canada? Liberty of any country of any continent? We have forgotten who we are or perhaps don't care. Our founders looked back with a pragmatic experience of history and created a system that best serves a future society. Today, people look forward and imagining a utopia and build a system designed on theory. I am sincerely worried about our future because all nations have cycled out of existence and we are careless to think that it cannot happen to us. The character of earlier generations was forged from facing struggles and doing things out of necessity. Today, we have it too damn good. There one truism in nature: nothing grows stronger wiser or smarter without facing resistance. When something is supported coddled or floats in zero gravity, it succumbs to atrophy.

  • Alexx Alexx
    Alexx Alexx

    Seems like the Democrats aim to win by hook or crook

  • D G
    D G

    Under the current electoral college method a voter in Montana carries 3 times the weight as one in Texas or California. Every vote in America should carry the same weight.

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