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China bans 23m from buying travel tickets as part of 'social credit' system

By the Guardian

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  • So it begins. This has been on the CCP to-do list for a long time, looking to create a breathing dystopia everyone must watch with a keen eye.

    Make no mistake: This is what 21st century totalitarianism looks like in the flesh.

  • Sounds horrible, doesn’t it? Only in China?

    But then I realized that we have a system that is even more invasive into all aspects of our lives, far more intrusive into our behaviors, and with broader and far reaching effects upon those deemed to be undesirable.

    Try to get a loan, rent an apartment, get a decent job, or any number of things necessary to survive in our society with no credit, bad credit, an eviction, or bankruptcy. Many places don’t have mass transit, so a vehicle is necessary to

    Sounds horrible, doesn’t it? Only in China?

    But then I realized that we have a system that is even more invasive into all aspects of our lives, far more intrusive into our behaviors, and with broader and far reaching effects upon those deemed to be undesirable.

    Try to get a loan, rent an apartment, get a decent job, or any number of things necessary to survive in our society with no credit, bad credit, an eviction, or bankruptcy. Many places don’t have mass transit, so a vehicle is necessary to get to/from work. Good luck getting a reliable car without being saddled with a predatory subprime auto loan, and auto insurers will take your credit score and other court records into account and charge higher rates, even if your driving record is perfect.

    Sadly, our lack of a universal healthcare system and ever increasing medical costs have resulted in medical bills becoming the driving factor in personal bankruptcy filings. People suffering from devastating medical conditions are less likely to be fully employed, and find themselves and their families in the worst of situations - no job, no money, possibly evicted, declaring bankruptcy... and assuming they survive, somehow they have to put their life back together by clawing out of this evil pit of despair?

    Distracting us with the notion that China is somehow doing awful things with this when our system is far worse is alarming. I bet once China has the kind of deep and thorough access to even more private areas of their citizens lives, they would eagerly adopt full credit reports and scoring, and using the same data sets that are used against us here in the United States. But lacking that kind of info, they’ve settled for using dog leashes and other lowly data points, which lend us to think of this Social Capital as frivolous, and keeps us from drawing the parallels to our own insidious ratings systems.

    But we’re the land of freedom, right?

  • So China punitively punishes people who are awful in society, effectively rewarding how people *should* treat one another, while in the U.S., we just destroy people's lives in the court of public opinion.

    I'm not saying I approve of either but I can't exactly say that the Chinese approach is worse either. At least they're trying to do something with good intentions in mind whereas Western society's social media scandal really speaks to how low people can be.

  • Well this is one way to solve the problem I suppose.

  • This is awful, of course, but is there any doubt that the Trump administration would if it could enact similar structures?

  • Emerging from a command and control system, China finds itself with shortages. This effort, classifying citizens who are not positive contributors to society by limiting their opportunities, is as old as Communism. It's pure resourse management. Sure we can argue that so called Free Societies do similar things to direct their own resources. But ask China this...Do these citizens have a chance to improve their position in life by good behavior? Who will make these rating decisions? Will the path to

    Emerging from a command and control system, China finds itself with shortages. This effort, classifying citizens who are not positive contributors to society by limiting their opportunities, is as old as Communism. It's pure resourse management. Sure we can argue that so called Free Societies do similar things to direct their own resources. But ask China this...Do these citizens have a chance to improve their position in life by good behavior? Who will make these rating decisions? Will the path to reclaiming a positive rating be clear? Using technology to capture data and mask command and control (Communist/Socialist) doesn't change its nature. Human history in the 20th century will show you what the power of selection in these Societies leads to..

  • China puts on a front of civility, but persecutes millions. This should be no surprise...

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