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What If Elite Colleges Switched To A Lottery For Admissions?

What If Elite Colleges Switched To A Lottery For Admissions?

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  • Answer: it would result in a proliferation of astoundingly dumb ideas like this.

    People are different. We have different interests and skills. And we have different brains. Competitive education caters to that. If you try to make everyone the same then you have little choice but to reduce all to the

    Answer: it would result in a proliferation of astoundingly dumb ideas like this.

    People are different. We have different interests and skills. And we have different brains. Competitive education caters to that. If you try to make everyone the same then you have little choice but to reduce all to the lowest common denominator.

    It’s a communist philosophy. And like most of those it is brilliant on paper and terrible in reality.

  • What I'm curious about is what happens when students get to the end of the funnel, if it's not really a funnel anymore.

    Top companies recruit from elite colleges because these colleges have supposedly the best and brightest students. These schools get the best and brightest students by accepting high

    What I'm curious about is what happens when students get to the end of the funnel, if it's not really a funnel anymore.

    Top companies recruit from elite colleges because these colleges have supposedly the best and brightest students. These schools get the best and brightest students by accepting high performing students from high schools (which in the case of private schools in NYC, have often recruited from the best pre-schools).

    Could randomizing the process lead to more egalitarian hiring into the world's elite jobs? That would be cool.

  • Sometimes the slants are fascinating. Elite colleges are elite directly because they are selective; and selectivity requires things be unequal. If everyone had the same chance of getting in then you eliminate the value of the elite education. Merit matters.

    Fairness itself is problematic as an objective

    Sometimes the slants are fascinating. Elite colleges are elite directly because they are selective; and selectivity requires things be unequal. If everyone had the same chance of getting in then you eliminate the value of the elite education. Merit matters.

    Fairness itself is problematic as an objective. It requires that someone or ones decide that one way is fair, which is subjective and anything which is perceived as fair to someone will be perceived as unfair to someone else. Transparency would help. Gaming the system is objectively unfair.

    There should be equality of opportunity, but no two people are actually equal in terms of talent, ability, or ambition. Very different than being equal as humans, where our humanity makes us exactly as equal and valuable as any other human. But results not so much. Private institutions have the right to make determinations as to admittance within the scope of the law. Social pressure coupled with their own objectives tends to have them favor some lower qualified candidates over higher. That’s their business. They’re not government entities.

    No one has a right to demand admittance to any private institution. You’re not entitled. And you shouldn’t be entitled to anything other than the chance to do your best and make the most of yourself in this world. Equality of outcomes shouldn’t be an objective. Not everyone wants the same thing or is willing to do the work.

  • How much free publicity are these so called elite colleges and universities getting on a weekly basis because everyone has decided to whine about their admission process? All we are doing is making them become perceptively more elite. “Asian Americans with perfect SATs can’t get into Harvard?! Oh my

    How much free publicity are these so called elite colleges and universities getting on a weekly basis because everyone has decided to whine about their admission process? All we are doing is making them become perceptively more elite. “Asian Americans with perfect SATs can’t get into Harvard?! Oh my god!” Regardless of what university you graduate from, fear not, the real world will punch you in the mouth fairly. Just remember this quote “Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not: nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not: the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.” — Calvin Coolidge

  • It seems unrealistic, and to some extent, unfair? But at the same time, the process for admissions at top colleges now is already overwhelmingly unfair, so finding a fix for that is essential. I’m not sure that a lottery could be a permanent fix. It reminds me of how the draft worked, only reversed

    It seems unrealistic, and to some extent, unfair? But at the same time, the process for admissions at top colleges now is already overwhelmingly unfair, so finding a fix for that is essential. I’m not sure that a lottery could be a permanent fix. It reminds me of how the draft worked, only reversed. One takes you to war, the other takes you to college. One leaves many breathing sighs of relief, the other feels...well, potentially life-ruining. But it could definitely pave the way for more diversity, less prejudice, and so forth. Options must be weighed.

  • I know it must be a joke but if you take all the students that are academically qualified and have the financial backing. Bucket them into comparable rankings with numerical identification. Taking all the top ranked students and they with all else equal use a lottery for the remaining vacancies. There

    I know it must be a joke but if you take all the students that are academically qualified and have the financial backing. Bucket them into comparable rankings with numerical identification. Taking all the top ranked students and they with all else equal use a lottery for the remaining vacancies. There you go, meritocracy no legacies no favoritism no bribes no need for sports . Never happen the world is just too complicated. No sports no football?

  • ... they wouldn't be "elite" anymore?

  • Lottery system is useless in case of education. Its not about every one getting a fair chance to get an admission but about a deserving candidate missing out because of lottery.

    Yes, system should be fixed for unfair practices. Instead of concluding that current system of admissions into a limited elite

    Lottery system is useless in case of education. Its not about every one getting a fair chance to get an admission but about a deserving candidate missing out because of lottery.

    Yes, system should be fixed for unfair practices. Instead of concluding that current system of admissions into a limited elite schools is flawed, isn't is important to make more of the colleges elite? That should fix this issue gradually, right? Till that happens, merit should dictate the terms, IMHO. 👍

  • Could only see good come from a system that elevates a students expectations, especially early in their education. I’d say this would even the playing field in ways we wouldn’t even discover until further along the process.

  • A lottery based on meritocratic results sounds interesting.