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Jack Ma and Elon Musk are pretty worried about a looming population collapse

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The need for people to have more babies was among the few things that the two tech icons agreed on in a half-hour public conversationRead full story

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  • Interesting... a lot of the problems that we have nowadays are directly connected to the fact that we are getting more and more people on this planet. The idea of having less people is very unpopular in free democratic countries (nobody would vote for a party that comes with that idea), but would do

    Interesting... a lot of the problems that we have nowadays are directly connected to the fact that we are getting more and more people on this planet. The idea of having less people is very unpopular in free democratic countries (nobody would vote for a party that comes with that idea), but would do good to the planet. It is just very bad for economy to stop growing. I don’t agree with those two. Can’t imagine how a world with 20 Billion people or more should be better?

  • How about paying people a decent wage too so they can live quality lives and also spend more time with their families. Take care of people. Why would anyone want to have a baby just to subject it to a life of slavery to debt?

  • These two may be brilliant but I am not convinced they are expert on population ,demographics or sociology . I am also concerned that their musings are worth the attention .

  • On the basis of what expertise are they making these statements? Having set up massive tech companies doesn’t make you a credible expert on everything.

    And if you are going to go against all received wisdom on natural resource scarcity then do so with an evidence-based argument.

    If you are lucky

    On the basis of what expertise are they making these statements? Having set up massive tech companies doesn’t make you a credible expert on everything.

    And if you are going to go against all received wisdom on natural resource scarcity then do so with an evidence-based argument.

    If you are lucky enough to have a bully pulpit, use it responsibly.

  • Very, very interesting that this is something the two agreed on in their anticipated panel. "Finally Ma, who seemed at times to be bored or puzzled by Musk’s comments, was on the same wavelength as the electric car entrepreneur." It does make sense--with the need for human knowledge to develop and hone

    Very, very interesting that this is something the two agreed on in their anticipated panel. "Finally Ma, who seemed at times to be bored or puzzled by Musk’s comments, was on the same wavelength as the electric car entrepreneur." It does make sense--with the need for human knowledge to develop and hone AI but still... a strange topic regarding "if AI would outsmart human beings in the future."

  • Key takeaway from the billionaire panel: It’s the demographic, stupid —hence the need for AI. Debatable. But the sales pitch is a bit too one-dimensional.

  • College education at current cost, and then the employment outcome... Doesn't make sense. Stop giving unlimited government loans to 18yr olds... The cost will come down.

  • With 3 adopted children from Latin America, I can confirm that the population of third world countries is increasing. Judging by myself and my late wife, trying to raise kids in our thirties, I see a reason why the first world’s population is decreasing. And, if we don’t treat the third world well, how

    With 3 adopted children from Latin America, I can confirm that the population of third world countries is increasing. Judging by myself and my late wife, trying to raise kids in our thirties, I see a reason why the first world’s population is decreasing. And, if we don’t treat the third world well, how will their poor, remember us?

  • I suppose I'm less worried about it because I'm pretty sure that in the long run automation can pick up the slack.

  • One of three key contributors to the rising global talent crisis: sheer demographics.

  • More kids plus universal basic income. What does that equate to? Free money that would flow back to investors.

  • There’s already too many people on the planet. Until everyone has reliable and clean food and water, shelter and safety encouraging people to have more children with no social safetynet is irresponsible.

  • We have been seeing this since sixties. France pays couples to have children. Populations of under 60years of age is vital to nation's credit score. But there are lands with lots of people. Immigration is healthy for a land. Moving populations, which is happening globally. But this is change, standing populations fear this.

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  • Wow, really. I am prolife, but I don't believe we are in need of more population we are in need in normal growing families, some have those who can afford them, some growing families can have, others adopt. That is the reality.

  • Too many people on planet is an outdated view? What? That’s so debatable it’s funny. I think scientists cap it under 4 billion for our resource and energy use but sure let’s make more plebs to work in factories that seem to make a few profiteers and no profit. Why don’t we just flame throw* people into

    Too many people on planet is an outdated view? What? That’s so debatable it’s funny. I think scientists cap it under 4 billion for our resource and energy use but sure let’s make more plebs to work in factories that seem to make a few profiteers and no profit. Why don’t we just flame throw* people into love shacks while we’re at it?

    Make a profitable company and THEN solve the world’s problems. Love Elon because he has fun ideas and he’s really eloquent but he’s got his own use case to make.

    If the people at the top shared just even part of their money we wouldn’t be so worried about aging populations and inverted triangles. And AI thrown into that conversation strikes me as a red herring.

    *technically not a flame thrower

  • Are these guys aware that millions of people working with and for their company has made them rich. It’s not about a mass of people we need to stop producing. It’s the quality... critical thinking humans are priceless. Not Ma and Musk who think they are critical thinkers. #realtalk

  • I wish the article shed more light on the root cause of the worry. Are they worried because “human brain is the biggest resource”? I bet there is more than this.

    As it is now clear that AI is outsmarting humans (currently only on repetitive tasks), what matters should not be the number of people breathing

    I wish the article shed more light on the root cause of the worry. Are they worried because “human brain is the biggest resource”? I bet there is more than this.

    As it is now clear that AI is outsmarting humans (currently only on repetitive tasks), what matters should not be the number of people breathing on this planet (it is more of the same) but rather how they still interact with each other and/or how they interact with the machines (BMI).

  • Wouldn’t the eventual prevalence of A.I outweigh the necessity for more human beings? Kind of seems redundant no? I’m not entirely understanding their argument.

  • Can we please start investing into birth control and allow women to have abortions freely!??? Wtf PEOPLE?

  • Perhaps migration movements can solve the problem for areas with low birth rates.

  • The lesson of this article? Don't put a ton of stock on the musings of people who are not population experts. We still have a lot of work to do with raising the living standard and reducing birth rates across the world. Governments will adapt when the evidence shows evidence for us needing a higher birth

    The lesson of this article? Don't put a ton of stock on the musings of people who are not population experts. We still have a lot of work to do with raising the living standard and reducing birth rates across the world. Governments will adapt when the evidence shows evidence for us needing a higher birth rate. That hasn't proven out.

  • Not exactly what most people have on their minds.

  • Typical republican rubbish

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