(You can hear Trump’s response to the question about the super PAC ad at around 3:50. Sykes also asks Trump to apologize to Wisconsin women for mocking Ted Cruz’s wife right at the beginning of the interview. )

At the time he said most of those things, Trump goes on to explain, he was a celebrity, not a politician.

“I’ve been a person that’s been in the entertainment business, and a very big person in business, and I’ve been quoted over the years by everybody,” he added. “Almost from the time I started business. For whatever reason. I became a celebrity in a sense.”

“Certainly, I never thought I would run for office,” he said when Sykes asked if the rules are different for celebrities.

The answer may come as a bit of a surprise—not just because of the huge non-apology, but because Trump does have a history of saying he would consider running for president, going back decades. In an 1988 interview, Trump told Oprah Winfrey that he would consider a presidential bid if things got “so bad.”

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